Once to disengage and once to silence the warning its disengaged. The engine sound, on the other hand, comes across as quite convincing. But please give PMDG a bit of time its not even two weeks since the release yet. Includes the the 737-900ER in passenger configuration with both blended winglets and split scimitar winglet configurations. Precision Manuals Development Group (PMDG) has followed suit and recently released their interpretation of the Boeing 737 NG. I'm very new for Sim and PMDG level software. Airlines have been told to inspect 2 pressure switches on Boeing 737s over concerns they could fail. PMDG Boeing 737900 v3.0.63 February 25, 2023 145 Comments SimPlaza Recommended, MSFS 2020 Aircraft, PMDG Info Note: You can download the PMDG Operations Center here or from our own upload here to get liveries for this aircraft and update any older version of this aircraft instead of downloading it here. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. endobj
After all, they convert the data according to the add-on developers specifications. But this is something I generally dont do after all, I want to assess the sound of the model I bought, not the model I fiddled around with. This is one of the few rigid rules that we enforce regularly. PMDG gives their customers the good feeling of having bought a package that is very complete in terms of a serious Boeing 737 NG simulation. But of course it is true that you should equip yourself with enough hardware that the mouse has to be used as little as possible no matter whether you use the VC or the 2D panels. But an expert in the sense of the question you certainly dont have to be that. Upload New File; Discussion. In my view, PMDG has made clear advances here. The hydraulic cylinders of the slaps and flaps are also modelled in 3D. Whereas only a few months ago there was talk in forums and magazines about of a crisis of flight simulation, new developments are now coming thick and fast in the shape of high-quality releases. Full featured failures simulation to cover nearly all QRH scenarios as well as real-world mean time to failure simulations model. In the real world, after all, engineers go to incredible lengths to create a human-machine interface that is as optimal as possible this is true in many fields, but particularly in aviation. Once you have internalized the concept, you can conveniently operate the NGX to its full extent without any major investments in home cockpit hardware. Each Boeing plane has two pressure switches on board as a safeguard in case one fails, following a 2012 FAA mandate. This makes sense because I presume the max cabin altitude is somewhere in the 8-9000 ft range, but my landing altitude was set to 10,900. Max landing altitude is 8400. I was a little surprised that the 737 NGX now has one after all. To guarantee some ahhhs and ohhhs from the FSX community, PMDG has collaborated closely with Boeing. This review was originally published in German on our sister site www.simflight.de and has been kindly translated by Martin Boehme. Also set the altitude of the airport your landing at. Or if the FMC crashes completely because sloppily programmed clickspots cause me to flip the wrong switch on the overhead and power down the flight computers? The image galleries on airliners.net dont really help either, because many of the images have been post-processed and stretched. Is it even possible that this PMDG software can simulate a Boeing 737 realistically? If this is your first visit, be sure to
If it breaks any of the above rules or can be easily answered by our FAQ, it will be deleted. My experience with real world autopilots has been consistently good and definitely on the level of simulator autopilots if I may make the comparison in the reverse direction for once. By the way: This is the second part of our three-part 737 NG review special. Holger: The complexity is of course not restricted to the systems simulation but continues with the visual model. Quite Amuse! But the thing that really amused me slightly was RSRs explanation for why the throttle quadrant was left out: He said it was due to lack of time. Includes the 737-900 in passenger configuration with both blended winglets and split scimitar winglet configurations. The aircraft they have delivered this time round, however, is really quite beautiful and modelled in great detail; it even features a cabin that is visible from the external view, which is not really typical for PMDG. It can also happen that you experience lockups if you tweak the routing too much in flight. They use entirely different methods of calculation and therefore cannot yield the same results. Its available on the developers own store and Orbx Central for $28.95 and comes with the following features. Oski: Particularly innovative is not something you can really call the NG and here I mean the real aircraft even if NG stands for New Generation. All of this at unbelievably high prices but this is an indulgence die-hard 737 simmers will grant themselves. Under the FAA's order on Thursday, operators have to inspect the switches every 2,000 flight hours, compared with the current 6,000 hours. endobj
WebPMDG Failure Name in FMC: PRESSURIZATION -> PRESSURE HULL INTEGRITY Note 1: Trigger this failure above 14,000 feet Note 2: The Cabin Altitude warning horn is your I was landing at a high elevation airport (10,900 feet) and the cabin altitude warning came on. OP is talking about a warning horn that sounds continuously. Cabin Altitude Warning - PMDG Simulations. Press J to jump to the feed. They were set to 38000ft cruise alt and 150ft landing alt on both occasions. He is now our man for the fine details, and the focus of his assessment will lie on visuals, haptics and sound. Tom Allensworth,
With winglets or without. Are there any operations that can only be performed in the 2D panel? Ive had to wait a long time for this convenience the last payware product that offered this luxury was the Super 80 Pro by Coolsky/Flight1. By Information Developer: Precision Manuals Development Group, PMDG Distributor: PMDG Home page:http://www.precisionmanuals.com/ Price: 69,99 US $, available through PMDG, Authors: Oskar Oski Wagner Dr. Stefan Benzinger Holger Kistermann. Founder of AVSIM Online. If everything is set correctly, there should be duct pressure in the gauges. The present 737 interpretation from PMDG, to me, is the climax of this development (for the present?). With this present product, however, the shadows are very few and far between. This is why here, too, I have my personal standard setting, which I never change. I dont know. Oski: Objection, your honour! It is very nicely done and deserves a very good rating. Holger: Oski will be more familiar with the acoustic environment than us after all, he is much more familiar with the sound from the front left seat. It added: "Addressing these failures requires immediate action.". Have fun! What is your take on the sound, Stefan? They are normally turned off for take-off (because they use bleed air which in turn reduces engine power) but have to be turned on after take-off, otherwise the cabin cannot be pressurized. PMDG recommends the use of a 64-bit operating system. It seems like this was achieved some other way All times are GMT. <>/Font<>/XObject<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text/ImageB/ImageC/ImageI] >>/Annots[ 23 0 R] /MediaBox[ 0 0 612 792] /Contents 4 0 R/Group<>/Tabs/S/StructParents 0>>
Problem solved. At least in normal conditions.The controllers are programmed and designed to never exceed maximum differential pressure between cabin and external air, this thing takes its part in the pressurization profile that controllers make when they know the desired crz altitude and landing altitude.Wrong data are only uncomfortable for passengers and crew.Different is for the manual mode where the pilot manually moves the valve.In this case there is only the overpressure protection wich will open the safety valves when maximum differential pressure is reached.There is no protection in manual if the airplane is de-pressurizing (except for the warning). If there is sufficient customer demand, the ER variants of the -700 and -900 may follow, but a final decision on this has not been taken. PMDGs customized, flight model with enhanced physics augmentation. This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Holding entries are another sticking point for a precise FMC simulation. You will become aware of many details you would not previously have paid attention to. And this is indeed the case! Its enough to consider an engine failure at or shortly after V1 and the correct response to this problem. Provided, that is, that they have suitably powerful hardware. It's easy! This is fun! The PMDG Boeing 737 NGX does have a few flaws, but they do not detract from the general impression. As above. And at this point, I again need to make an important digression: As usual, I have read the whole spectrum of assessments in the PMDG forums from too sensitive to too sluggish. As a result of this, the A pillar in these airplanes is more inclined, and the bulge does not remind me as much of the nose of my former Latin teacher as the one in the PMDG. Stay tuned! It has already been decided that, in addition the Boeing 737-800 and -900 reviewed here, there will be an update at a later date containing the -600 and -700, the two shorter variants. Valve Corporation. To me, the 737 NGX is by far the best and most innovative and so the most significant aircraft add-on in a long time. There would be an audible alarm, though not cabin alt horn, but master caution alarm, if UNSCHED DES is present. This is accomplished without overly large rudder deflections and is easy to stabilize my feeling, as I have already mentioned, is that it is a little too easy! It is the same loud noise as the beep alarm that sounds when you aren't in takeoff configuration. available from Boeing. After further investigation and analysis, however, the airplane manufacturer and the FAA concluded in May that "the failure rate of both switches is much higher than initially estimated, and therefore does pose a safety issue.". this is my hometown and i want this really b, Wonderful My Father-in-law Bombed the Hell out of Bremen. In general I do have to say that the FMC runs quite stably and without errors. Check your pressurization panel. . But I do know a number of autopilots of other airliners that have precisely this problem. PMDG Customer Forums. What is clear, though, is that even the NGX is not immune to such errors. I dont think much of the superlatives that are so commonly used today. After commenting, please wait until your comment is approved. The deeper you are prepared to involve yourself with this simulation, the more demanding it becomes to fly the beast realistically. Read more: Amazon's Prime Air drone delivery team has had higher turnover than the rest of the company as launch delays and internal tensions roil the division. If it comes when you disengage the AP I think its in the manual - press AP disengage twice to silence the alarm. It has also been discussed in the PMDG forum. Holger: Frank, who recently wrote the review for the DA-20 Katana, pointed out the cockpit crew animations to me. 3 0 obj
You've got a bleed trip off annunciation. This assessment depends on important factors particularly the personal controller settings. <>
Leaving recirculation fans OFF would not prevent pressurisation. All they do is allow the packs to run at a lower airflow rate to improve fuel econ I'm not up to speed on the pneumatic system as I'm not a 737 pilot IRL, but I suspect this is because you have the isolation valve set to open instead of auto. This page was generated at 03:28. 1) SIGN YOUR POSTS. All of this, in combination with the high-resolution textures and the well-executed model, gives the aircraft an incredibly realistic effect. Check if the packs are turned on. With a bit of practice, the FMC can be programmed in 10 minutes at most. Surprising, but its a fact. Here's an adaptation of a two pilot job for the sim: 1. No, on the contrary: To start the engines, you. So we should really assume that everything runs normally. Forums. And PMDG has done a good job at leaving a good first impression. Well, in direct comparison with other 737 NG implementations I have to say that overall, the VC in those implementations is noticeably lower, making the view through the forward window less high and wider. My old computer, a first-generation quad core with 2.93 GHz (QX6800) should probably be able to handle the PMDG, too, but a mixture of complex sceneriesandthe 737 NGX would definitely be pushing it! This means it is certainly worth your time to take a look at an up-to-date manual. All new hi-fidelity models with superb detail Beautifully crafted exterior and interior models built over contemporary detailed plans and Would be nice if the plane could tell you on a PFD. But this is in fact where one of the great strengths of the NGX may lie. I suppose a cockpit is anything but a quiet place. Also same horn that doomed a helios airways flight one time! Which of the implementations conveys the most realistic feeling of space? PMDG obviously did not want to expose themselves on this flank, which is why the add-on contains a balanced mixture of detail and functionality, without losing itself in resource-hungry bling-bling a la CaptainSim. You will find the signature editor on the ACCOUNT tab, about half way down the page. check out the. Holger: Oski, why do you recommend that even experienced Boeing 737 NG pilots should use the documentation (at the very least parts of it) to familiarize themselves with this add-on? The assessment of the flight envelope as a whole, however, delivers a very good result in my opinion. A marketing and sales director in real life, he is also a beta tester and project consultant and has been with simFlight for ages. Please be courteous, English is not my primary language. Emi is a IRL 737 pilot and most everything you need to know is well described in the various vids on his channel. There is no external tool for this, everything can be configured directly from the Flight Simulator session. Virtual cockpit model, with ultra high detail textures, 3D rendering and reflective properties. The NG, too, can perform a go-around from a fail-operational dual autoland configuration, but the NGX cant. Obviously, George also has problems from time to time with leveling off exactly at a given altitude or predicting a descent point precisely. My solution to this has been the VRInsight MCP combo on one hand and a touch screen on the other. Its very annoying and I ended up having to turn cockpit warnings volume to zero in the MSFS settings). Of course, visual treats like these have their price. The reason is simple: The PMDG B737 NGX has really been simulated almost completely in all systems including Flight Guidance, of course. In the first few days after the release, there were also some slightly disappointed comments from time to time. Holger, on the other hand, has already been unlucky several times. But nothing conclusive can be said yet in this respect since the shorter variants have not been released. The FAA said in the order Thursday that if both switches failed, the warning system would not activate if the cabin altitude exceeded 10,000 feet at which point oxygen levels on board could become dangerously low and cause flight crews to lose consciousness, it said. For PMDG, this is already the second time they have created a Boeing 737 NG: In 2003, they released the first version, which was implemented for FS2002 and FS2004. A negative point that I noticed and again this applies to my multi-screen 2D environment is the fact that various sounds drop out when the focus switches from the main screen to one of the auxiliary screens. Stefan, can this complexity actually be operated well? I was landing at a high elevation airport (10,900 feet) and the cabin altitude warning came on. For FSX, this is a real quantum leap and the system is perfect for the PMDG 737 NGX. He will tell us how realistic PMDG has managed to make the systems simulation of the 737 NG. You should bring a bit of systems knowledge to the table. Rigid body physics for wing and tail surfaces. And if the nitpickers now go searching for non-functional switches or panels, they will quickly find something in this area: The radar image, which can also be overlaid on the ND, does not exist. Another example: The elevators have trim tabs with their own animations at extreme deflections, they move in opposite directions. There is one thing you simply have to realize today: Given the high memory requirements of complex simulations, youre simply better off with a 64-bit system because, as a rule, the address space is large enough in contrast to 32-bit systems, where you quickly reach the limits. In such conditions, a flow experience will never come about. What is that sound for and how do I fix it/turn it off? Look for "Edit Post Signature." There, I dont have these problems. In principle, it does not take particular effort to fly. The first steps are PPAA -> Power Performance Analysis Action to achieve safe single-engine flight; next, we want to restore system redundancy to the degree possible while of course not forgetting to navigate and under coordination with ATC to manoeuvre to a position from which, after re-programming the FMC, a single engine approach can be made to the departure airport, if this is possible from a meteorological and operational point of view. In the case of the PMDG this applies to the convincing flight dynamics. HiI have just done two flight in the 737-800NGX Winglets aircraft and on both at one point or another in climb i got the cabin altitude warning hor This really applies to all of the working space of the captain. When I cant fix those I take out my headphones and just make a vroom sound to keep up the immersion. Our reviewers Oskar Wagner, Dr. Stefan Benzinger und Holger Kistermann have taken a closer look at the Boeing 737-800 / -900. This is already complex enough but can be carried out flawlessly with the present add-on. But I have every trust in the expertise of PMDGs team and in the communitys swarm intelligence. Boeing had said earlier that the reported issues with the switches didn't pose a safety concern. I have to say, though, that I dont have any real aircraft experience to compare to, nor do I have the time to climb into one of the fixed-based simulators in my vicinity. The exterior and interior model are based on the original blueprints from Seattle. Sign up for notifications from Insider! AVSIM Online - Simming's Premier Resource! I hope PMDG for those who use multiple set up monitors and for more realistic the situation add the First Officer 2D Panel as well. "A latent failure of both pressure switches could result in the loss of cabin altitude warning, which could delay flight crew recognition of a lack of cabin pressurization, and result in incapacitation of the flight crew due to hypoxia (a lack of oxygen in the body), and consequent loss of control of the airplane," the agency said. Frank Schmidts review of the Diamond Katana might have something to do with that I now have an i7 Sandy Bridge processor (2600K) that runs at up to 3.8 GHz. The 2D panel concept has thus not been implemented completely, which I dont quite understand. PMDG enable their customers to equip their aircraft as they please the real aircraft is available in different configurations, and the same is possible in the simulator. Does the PMDG fly precisely? Your engine bleeds aren't on. My specs are: Intel Core i5-2400 CPU 3.1GHz, 8 GB RAM, Windows 7 64-bit and nVidia GeForce GTX470 with 2 displays or one display for the 2D panel and a projector for the external view. You will become aware of many details you would not previously have paid attention to. To me, at least, part of the fun of simming consists of flying different aircraft types. Feb. 2018 um 9:58 Ursprnglich geschrieben von Dr. Stefan Benzinger is a physician in Dachau and has been a member of the simFlight review team for half a year. And this is a good thing after all, there are already more than enough other freeware and payware options for novices .This is not a game, this is a simulation of a working environment. For example, this applies to the air conditioning sound and more seriously to all of the altitude callouts including the altitude warning. houses for rent san antonio I use only a sub-woofer and two tweeters all in all, a pretty standard PC sound system. After starting engines set the top three switches to auto. PMDG has currently released the third hotfix for this issue, but some users continue to experience problems. #1 Tobble 11. And during the subsequent autobrake 1 deceleration I had to intervene manually to leave the runway in a reasonably sensible fashion. Wonderful! No jerkiness whatsoever! Now my wife's greatest friend's I from the. As a result of this, the A pillar in these airplanes is more inclined, and the bulge does not remind me as much of the nose of my former Latin teacher as the one in the PMDG. His task will be to chair this review and formulate the final verdict. New York John F Kennedy International Airport (KJFK), The Janitor - An Interview with Tom Allensworth, Interview with Joshua Howard Re MS FLIGHT - March 2012, Interview with LMOC Re P3D - September 2012, The AVSIM Hack - First Published in May, 2009, The AVSIM Hack - The Full Story - Published April 2013. endobj
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In PMDGs forum, Robert S. Randazzo, the head of PMDG, confers the highest accolades on his sound designer, and I would like to echo this praise. This, too, is a credit to the developers: Consciously crossing the boundary of what had been thought possible to date and pushing it out true to the American pioneer spirit of bigger, faster, further. pmdg 737-600 cabin altitude warning. Each configuration can be tuned further to ones hearts content. Firstly it's amazing!!! Any modern flight guidance system can handle it though only of course if the initial situation is correct. PMDG 737 Cabin Altitude warning. Reddit's Official home for Microsoft Flight Simulator. I suppose a cockpit is anything but a quiet place. Join the flight experience and to troubleshoot for CTDs OOM Crash Free operation of FSX a.s.o. Honestly speaking I would feel very uncomfortable about this in real life, particularly if you consider that one of the main purposes of a go-around is to regain altitude quickly. Stefan: A few months ago I treated myself to a new computer because I finally wanted to max out FSX and be prepared for products like the PMDG 737NG. After all not all use VC or single monitor. The animations of the crew are great down to the smallest detail. Message me if you would like to share stories/progress. Once you start to achieve your first successes with this, you should be ready to hazard a step into a real Level D simulator and try your hand at the real thing. You always stop PACKS for Takeoffs & Landings too in case of a Go-Around. To me, the acoustic environment in the cockpit is tightly woven and convincing. Sign up for our newsletter for the latest tech news and scoops delivered daily to your inbox. We have already reviewed the product from iFly. i just diverted my flight after 30mins so i could shut the aircraft down. Here, at least, there are no wrong entries, but the procedures themselves are flown very imprecisely. As I have already indicated, the visuals of the 737 NG exterior model are as a whole correct and feature many details. Where high complexity and exact design meet, even a capable family PC can reach its limits. Made me wish I had already migrated to FSX. The present 737 interpretation from PMDG, to me, is the climax of this development (for the present?). You cant improve on perfect syntactically maybe, but not semantically. Applying for medicals to start PPL soon. Note: To update navigation data, you can use the Navigraph PMDG 737 NavData from this post (pmdg_737_msfs_XXXX.rar). Here at the Benzinger home, it is customary that I build a Revell model kit for every new FS add-on I buy and in this case, the PMDG model clearly beats it! However, I have to deduct more than a few points for one of my favourite procedures, the automatic go-around. Whether this particular behaviour is seen specifically on the NG is something I dont know. Posts that are unsigned will be quietly removed without comment by the moderators, so to make your life easy- we recommend enabling your forum signature so that you never need to remember. You never have the feeling that something might not be right. Holger: Oski, we really expect an exact systems simulation from PMDG. Its the same sound as the takeoff config alarm, but I get it when landing. As I have already indicated, the visuals of the 737 NG exterior model are as a whole correct and feature many details. Be sure to click the "Show Signatures" box. With the characteristic eyebrow windows or without. The depiction is clear and has very good performance within the limits of the available data after all these do come from the FSX terrain model. Oski: I dont even have to go that far. This is because, strangely enough, the throttle quadrant does not have its own 2D panel. The US aviation watchdog has instructed airlines to inspect a pair of pressure switches found on all Boeing 737 airplanes over concerns that their failure could cause onboard oxygen levels to fall dangerously low. Instead of raising the pitch to 15 and accelerating with a climb rate of at least 1000 fpm, it tiptoes away with 56 ANU and 500600 fpm climb rate. The aerodynamic purpose of this is not quite clear to me, but it is definitely beautiful to watch. Since 1997, we have asked users to sign their real name, first and last, to all posts in the PMDG forum. Highly integrated exterior, interior cabin and flight deck sound environments. I have no problems whatsoever with CTDs at least not so far, despite using various Mega- and Orbx airports and ASE. In my view, PMDG has made clear advances here. To me, the PMDG is a perfect add-on but in view of the great add-ons that have appeared in the last three months alone, you have to be really careful not to overuse the superlative. The commitment that this requires in terms of cost and time should not be underestimated. But that usually takes a bit of effort, and many simmers still shy away from that. Holger: I recently talked to a flightsim-crazy airline pilot it might even have been you, Oski. Am I doing something wrong in the procedures/checklists? !v2c6a=`JK\"@ O)g]BjesUb*P8z:^PHoFs\m)?)ne'k&! In the real world, after all, engineers go to incredible lengths to create a human-machine interface that is as optimal as possible this is true in many fields, but particularly in aviation. For example, at low speeds it has the same difficulties in holding altitude precisely when rolling into or out of a turn as some of its big colleagues. There are a lot of things happening in the flight deck that can cause a warning. Your cabin altitude is 13000ft. Can the PMDG be flown by the numbers? Also, flaps and spoilers have to be assigned to a key combination or joystick axis if you want to fly in 2D mode only, or you have to switch to the VC to operate them with the mouse. Out of these cookies, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Along with the advice above, may I recommend Emi's YouTube channel, which is a wealth of great information on everything 737. Did you set your cruise altitude on the overhead? By default its at 10,000 and if your cruise level is going to be 35,000 feet for example you need You can familiarize yourself with all of the complexity of correct system operation to a very large degree if you put in the necessary effort. What is your impression of flying the Bobby? PMDGs product philosophy aims not only to deliver a realistic airliner implementation but also to offer corresponding accessories. The image galleries on airliners.net dont really help either, because many of the images have been post-processed and stretched. The Boeing 737 NGX is certainly not an airplane that can be recommended in good faith to an absolute novice. I fly using TrackIR, and I dont need the 2D panel at all. I just muted the game tho and carried on unpressurized . 510 minutes are enough to configure the rest of the systems for home use. Oski: Stefan has already mostly answered this question. Thats correct. I have good frame rates (20+ for instance at Mega-Airport Zrich) when in the VC and even better frame rates (30+) with the 2D panels. There is always something that hums, buzzes or beeps. 4 0 obj
Why do I have that red warning light and how can I solve it? We do this in order to keep conversations personal and familiar. Thanks. But the general impression is very good. NOW WATCH: Why in-flight WiFi is so slow and expensive, Amazon's Prime Air drone delivery team has had higher turnover than the rest of the company as launch delays and internal tensions roil the division. You are left with only two options: Either you move the FMC back to the main screen, or you use the mouse in the old-fashioned way and click around on the input pad until your fingers are sore. 1) SIGN YOUR POSTS. Youre completely right.